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Jao ljudi da ne poverujete...

jebem im mater svabsku...
Ovde u nemackoj pricaju na vestima da su bili 150 000 ljudi na demonstraciji a cnn kaze da su bili 200 000 ljudi ...

Koji su to mangupi, ne mogu da verujem. Samo se vrte slike kako napadaju ambasadu... naravno medijska propaganda.

Nas srpski studentski sabor u nemackoj (gde sam clan:) ) pokusava sve da promenimo misljenje o srbiji u nemackoj.

jao sad je jedan naso broj telefona drzavne televizije, stavio u nas forum i sada svi zovu kao ludi da pitaju kako mogu da lazu da su samo 150 000 ljudi bili. Pomalo mi je i smesno koliko su studenti uporni i napadaju i terorisu telefonom nemacke novine i televiziju :)

Nemoj tako gen,nije ti fer!
Predpostavljam da si i ti u nemackoj sa porodicom,da zivis gore i skolujes se.
Slazem se da takva medijska propaganda nije fer,ali nemoj da ujedas ruku koja te hrani.

Hey!
Here is Sydney, media is avoiding the facts of course.  They are only interested in "huligans" and the pic's that have just arrived re: USA Embassy.
Mind you,  they are not as bad (give them enough time!) as they were in 1990's. 
No matter, I , with my behaviour, generosity, great dinner parties, good looks (i dare say!), have changed hundreds of people's oppinions about Serbs & Serbia. (If not thousands)   People are still appear shocked when they find out I am Serbian however that does not last long. & its not long after that that I give them the history lesson (s). Kosovo lesson always starts with "Serbian people will go extinct before they give up Kosovo".
All in small dozes of course. We have to remember these people do not have the capability of understanding that news are biased let alone understanding the passion, hearts, pride, .. & history which has created/moulded us.

Good luck with the Germans though - I hear most of the USA troups are based there now? Is this correct? If so how is that going?

Jelena

PS: 2-3 years ago the Media (in Australia) was blamed for riots which happened between Australian "White's" & Muslim people.  Media was told that they are not to "fuel" the hate by "too many one side (USA) stories.
These were the riots Australia's people have not seen before. (nothing much really for what our people in Serbia have experienced!) I imagine that the government will try & stop that from happening again. :-)

Hvala Jelena što objašnjavaš i pokazuješ Australijancima, ko smo i šta smo.


'Oćeš da kažeš da treba da ljubi ruku koja je hrani, dok joj ona druga lažima i prevarama i silom oduzima ono što je njeno vekovima? Isteruju naše ljude sa vekovnih ognjišta, i uništavaju crkve koje su tamo gotovo hiljadu godina? (Tačnije, pomažu onima koji to rade i još ih i čuvaju!)
Ta ruka pokušava da zatre sve srpsko na Kosovu i Metohije? Jel treba da im kaže hvala? A možda je YUGen izbegla sa ovih naših prostora? Možda i zato jer je nemački BND kintom od uništavanja svoje omladine extasijem finansirao raspad Jugoslavije? I slao vojne instruktore i belosvetski ološ da pomognu da se "dobro zakuva" građanski rat u našoj zemlji? Osim toga, njihova ruka je ne hrani, njihova ruka ubire porez. A oni sami svojim teškim radom i često poslovima koje sami Nemci ne bi radili, zarađuju svoj hleb... uglavnom. Ima puno izuzetaka, ali dođe na isto...

Auuu zen,vala ga i ti sad pretera!Bas ides iz krajnosti u krajnost!
Nisam to rekao,i nikad ne bih!
Ono kako sam ja shvatio gen,jeste da su mediji hteli da omalovaze jucerasnji miting time sto su izneli tako malu cifru sakupljenih ljudi (koja je kako citam bila oko milion).
Za to postoje drugi nacini,a ne psovanje i omalaovazavanje cele nacije!U Nemackoj sigurno ima i onih koji su protiv nezavisnosti.
Jedan od takvih (po meni i "naj-fer") jeste sakupljanje slika i videa i njihovo prezentovanje na razlicitim forumima,slanjem istih telejvizijama i drugim medijima.

Tacno tako Spatro!

Neznam šta si mislio Sparta, ali ja sam reagovao na ono što si napisao.
I da je preterano, kako kažeš, sve je čista istina. I to je minimum reakcije koji se od mene očekuje, i od nas, u ovoj situaciji. Dobrih ljudi ima svuda a i loših, to je jasno, barem meni. Ali oni dobri u toj naciji, se nešto i ne čuju previše... Zato su oni loši veoma bučni i prednjače u pljuvanju naše nacije... Kad ih bude makar 10% koji shvataju šta se dešava, ja ću promeniti mišljenje...

Cinjenica je da je Kosovo nezavisno,ali to je posledica nesposobnosti politicara.
98.-99. je samo prelila casu i uzeta za izgovor,ali pravi uzrok nezavisnosti lezi u necijoj debeloj koristi.Tu korist ja i ti mozemo samo da naslutimo.
Ovo je replika na poslednju recenicu u tvom postu.

Evo sad dosla sa demonstracije...

Sparti, u pravu si, ruka koja me hrani... naravno da sam zahvalna. Zahvalna sam sto mi ne daje mogucnost da nadjem normalan posao. Zahvalna sam sto me na mnogim mestima odbijajuzato sto sam srpkinja. Naravno,,, kako da ne budem :)

Znas, jedna ruka me hrani, a druga me povredjuje. Od zabavista, preko osnovne, taman 99... tacno se secam kako sam sedela u razredu i cuo se avion i kako je jedan decak meni rekao eto ti to su bombe sto padaju na tvoju Jugoslaviju i kako mu je ucitelj rekao da prestane. Sve eto do sada... zadnja godina u gimnaziji... moje najlepse godine... kad smo skupljali humanitarnu pomoc za albance na kosovu i kako me je cela skola gledala kad su videli da ja nisam pare dala za siptare. Isto tako pre neki dan kad su moji takozvani drugari sedeli iza mene i taman tako glasno pricali da ja mogu da cujem. Tema im je bila"jes vala da su se jedva odcepili jadni siptari..." Sa jednim deckom iz razreda se uvek svadjam na casu engleskog jer je vec koliko puta rekao da je NATO imao najvece pravo da napadne Srbiju 99 jer su srbi najgori narod i smeje mi se u lice.

Sparti, nemacka nas ne hrani, negu su je stranci 60. godina ishranili sve do danas. Kako nas hrani kad ti ne da da radis. Ako ima izbor izmedju tebe i bilo kog, koga ce da uzme? Sigurno ne tebe. Ovde svako zivi za sebe, pa ja ne znam ni kako mi se komsije zovu bre.
Jao taman gledam nemacke vesti, evo me na tv-u :) Ali ovo je druga tema.

Znas, kad zivis u inostranstvu, mora da budes jak i da verujes u sebe i svoju zemlju, jer ovde sve tvoje gine i sve sto je bilo tvoje bice zaboravljeno. Srpski jezik, srpska kultura, srpske crkve... Ako ne budes jak, sve ce se to zaboraviti.
Meni niko nece uzeti da pricam srpski u nemackoj, da idem na demonstracije za svoju zemlju....

Kako je bilo dobro sad na demonstraciji, covece toliko puno srba i svi se za jedno borimo. Ne samo srbi, nego grci i spanci :)

Sad ce sigurno mnogi reci, ako si takav nacionalista i ako ti je srbija u dusi, sto onda nisi u srbiji nego si pobegla. Sto nisi bila 99 da te bombarduju malo. Sta ti uopste mozes da pises kad nista nisi dozivela. Ni sad nisi tu da se boris za svoje.

Ja nikad nisam bezala niti cu ikad. '99 sam imala 10 godina i svaki dan sam isla da skupljam humanitarnu pomoc za Srbiju. Sad sam malo starija i organizujemo demonstracije za nasu zemlju.

Zar vi ne shvacate da smo mi u nemackoj jedno veiko govno koje smrdi do amerike?
Gori smo od turaka, koji su oduvek bili najgori u nemackoj.

svet ima tako misljenje o nama kad se tako prikazujemo sami smo krivi gledao sam CNN zadnjih nedelju dana i svuda se vrte slike onog vandalizma....i stalno tako jer smo glupavi i hocemo na silu nesto sto se nemoze

'vako...povlacim se sa ove teme.Svaka dalja rasprva bi prerasla u svadju,a to je poslednje sto zelim.
Ja imam misljenje o svemu ovom,gen i zen imaju drugo,neko treci trece.Ne zelim nikom da namecem svoje stavove,ali isto to ocekujem od suprotne strane.
Toliko...za sad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDWvVZydwRw

šta bi mislila posle ovoga?

Sta ima da se tu misli??? treba pogledati svaki komentar je suvisan.

Ni ja ne zelim da se svadjam, spart i naravno da tolerisem tvoje misljenje, samo ti kazem kako je naprimer meni u nemackoj, koja me hrani, a jos vise mrzi...

Nema potrebe da se povlacis :)

posle ovakvih stvatri nemamo sta da se bunimo na to kako nas tretiraju u svetu kad im saljemo takve slike...

Pa ovo se u nemackoj jos ne zna, mislim nemci ne znaju. Kod nas ima na srpskim forumima u nemackoj.
Mada cisto mislim da ovo nije ni zanimljivo. Pljackano je pljackano sad da li su to glupace koje luduju za patikama ili nego drugi... pf... sve jedno.

Ali sto je bitnije, npr da nase studente nisu hteli da puste na Kosovo, to se naravno ne govori. To nema ni na vestima niti u bilo kakvim novinama.

Pa sve zavisi od toga ko šta hoće da vidi. To je u suštini stvar izbora. Neka ostane tako.
I naravno različiti ljudi različito vide iste stvari...
Iako bih ja voleo da svi ljudi vide isto, to je nemoguće.

Sparti, povlačio se ili ne, jedno je pričati iz ličnog iskustva kao YuGen, a drugačije ovako sa strane, gde te ništa ne vezuje i ne dotiče...
Neznam, možda se ti i ne osećaš delom ovog prostora? Nema ničeg lošeg ni u tome, svako ima prava na svoj život, mišljenje i osećanje, tako da je sve to što kažeš ok.

Ove pljačke sam gledao puno ranije u prestonicama Svetske Demokratije, mogu samo da zamislim kako je to njima izgledalo kad se njima dešavalo... Samo što su kod nas plavuše, i neki drugi likovi, a kod njih afroamerikanci i latinosi, uglavnom..

Iskreno mene je trenutno bas briga sta 'svet' misli o nama, realno gledano stvari se nisu mnogo promenile iako smo se trudili da ih promenimo. Grci i Rusi nas gotive Ameri i siptari mrze, a svi ostali gledaju sta njima najvise odgovara. To je politika! Bitno je kako mi nas gledamo tj. da li cemo pricati o te 2 plavuse sto su krale ili o milion ljudi koji su bili ispred skupstine od kojih je vecina mirno posla ka Hramu Svetog Save! Mislim da je bolje da pricamo o postenim ljudima koji su tada dosli zbog Kosova!
Neke stvari se nikada nece promeniti... Od kada je Amerika nastala bila je u konfliktu sa nama, zasto je to tako, mene ne zanima, ali tako ce i ostati. Jedno sto mi mozemo da uradimo jeste da ne dozvolimo da nas guzi ko stigne nego, kako bi rekli nasi politicari, dostojanstvno i podignute glave da idemo dalje! Vremenom ce sve doci na svoje mesto!!!   

E samo da vam kazem da mi je dosta omalovazavanja Srba, prvo Kosovo pa sam cula i da ce zapadni deo Srbije da se odvoji...Dokle???????

pa sve dok politicari pocnu gledati interese naroda i drzave a ne svog dupeta

A sta ces velika smo zemlja pa se raspadamo da to i neprimetimo ovako verovatno razmisljaju politicari mi se tu nista nepitamo cutimo i trpimo jedino se pitamo kada glasamo he he a svet verovatno misli sve najgore o nama da nam misle dobro nebih dozvolili ovo sve je to bagra nasminkana  olos sljam itd

neee.ne misle nesto prelose.zavisi od regiona mozda ;)
recimo jedan gari s kojim se dopisujem iz mexika,oni tamo ni ne znaju nesto mnogo o nama.prvih par recenica na pitanje odakle sam ,spomenuo je ratove,bombardovanje,Milosevica ,Ameriku...i tako to.kontam da nas vise po tim da kazem losim stvarima znaju.pitao je jel nam je drzava ono u haosu ,itd.jedan odatle sa chata je rekao da uci istoriju nasu,na fakultetu nekom,valda evropsku otkud znam ne secam se.
kada sam rekla da je na izborima za preds. pobedio tadic,rekao je q bueno,q bueno para su pais.kontam da je on na dosta dobrom glasu .Neka i treba.:)

Свет ни не зна где је Србија...

dok sam bio u chicagu na fudbalskom kampu niko sem jednog nije mogao da mi kaze gde je tacno srbija al je zato zna da je to negde na kraju sveta tamo daleko gde se neka sranja desavaju i rekli su mi aaa pa da to je ono iz vesti sem jednog decka koji je iz engleske dosao tamo on je znao i da vam kazem ne misli nista lose o nama
pazi a kad kazes jugoslavija tamo u americi odma svi znaju gde je to to mi je bilo veoma interesantno znace neznaju gde je srbija a znaju za jugoslaviju a to govori sta smo bili a sta smo postali

dobro dobro,dobro pametnjakovicu,to ono kao i jeste,e just 1 question...zasto ti onda nije nick MARSHAL,a NE djeneral,m?ccc,koja si koma ;D

a btw,retardirani ameri i ne znaju da postoji evropa kao kontinent,a kamoli mi(jer sam ih pitao ranije kad smo chatovali za italiju,grcku...ma kakvi,tockovi cisti)

Problems are not limited to Ex-Yu.  In USA there are two protracted wars going on, but in the media, we hear more about Britney Spears' emotional problems.  Average American knows little to nothing about what is going on.  This with a "free press." 

Nek misle sta hoce,ni Evropu ne 'ljubim' previse ali je postujem i osecam se delom nje sto i jesam.Ne mogu postovati Engleze koji su postali robovi svoje bivse kolonije,a S.A.D.nisu vredni ni pomena jer to nije narod vec skup najgoreg svetskog sljama,to su ljudi koji nemaju pojma ni ko im je bio deda i baba i koga su ojadili njihovi preci da bi njihovi potomci postali Amerikanci.Prilog - karta Evrope iz 700 te godine...ko je tu ???

(http://i46.tinypic.com/k53lk.jpg)

Ni ja ne volim Ameriku ali taj najveci sljam je ipak napravio neka od najvecih dostignuca. Iskreno. A ne vidim kakve ima veze karta Evrope iz 700te. Nisam siguran da su se Srbi doselili jos u 7om veku...

I hear you, but please do not stereotype all us Yankees as total idiots who do not know our ancestory. Allow me to tell you about my town. Here we have people of at least a dozen ethnic groups and it is bi-racial. Specifically referring to Ex-Yu, two of the biggest churches are St. Nicholas Serbian Orthodox and Prince of Peace (old St. Mary's) Croatian Roman Catholic Church. Point is, here these and others work together, sing together, laugh together and often intermarry. Recently an old Catholic Church closed its doors and thereafter became an Islamic mosque. That's new here, but just one more group where diversity has been welcomed for over 100 years. Please know that all these people still know their roots, can get into arguments over a beer about both our Civil War and Kosovo Polje, and could very well have cousins on your street.

Sometimes people call USA a "melting pot." Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is more like a marble cake or, OK ... a fruit cake. Ethnic subcultures still very much alive. Now, for all practical purposes, a bi-lingual nation in many parts, due to the influx of Spanish-speaking people who just walk across the Rio Grande River. How can you blame them? The fence is a joke and there is work and food here.  Best wishes for a good 2010.

Nabroj mi americke slikare,pisce,kompozitore,fizicare,hemicare 17 i 18 veka... :D ne vredi googlati jer ih nema,ponesto vredno pomena pojavljuje se u 19 veku,obicna piskarala u odnosu na evropske pisce... ;) e,posto su se napljackali zlata otetog od indijanaca i kupili aljasku od glupog ruskog cara za 17 dolara po kvadratnoj milji i dosli do jos zlata,shvatili su pocetkom 20 veka da treba da uvoze pamet.Edisonova  jednosmerna struja je tehnoloski corsokak,kao u evolutivnom smislu neandertalac u poredjenju sa homo sapiensom...Atomsku bombu su napravili Hitlerovi strucnjaci koje su ameri zarobili i prisilili ih da to nastave ali za njih...Rakete koje je lansirala NASA izradio je Verner fon Braun,mozak nemačkog projekta V-2 (fau-dva) čovek koji je nakon Drugog svetskog rata dopremljen u Ameriku kao ratni plen.Posle drugog svetskog rata uvoze uvoze skolovane ljude iz indije kine rusije itd uglavnom tim ljudima treba zahvaliti za nastanak silikonske doline,prvi mikrocip,kompjuter i internet... :angel:
Nisi siguran da se Srbi doseljavaju u 7 veku ? Nisam ni ja,mislim da su tu otkad je sveta i veka... ;D

...Jazz... Rock'n Roll... :band: filmovi... :cvidze: u suštini vrh modernog umetničkog (mada i ne samo umetničkog, i onog manje umetničkog - komercijalnog) stvaralaštva..
Taman da su samo to smislili - sasvim je dovoljno od njih...
Za ostalo, manje više se slažem, mada mi je čudno da niko nije komentarisao Waynov post.. ::)

@Wayne
Etnic diversity is something I very much apreciate about your country. It is great to have, muslims, christians, jews that tolerate each other, like in America. I do not like America for one reason. Your politicians. They published a lot of propagandic material against my people. Basically they put themselves as world policemen and judges, they say they are fighting terrorists in reality they are terrorizing others. But i love your country for great science and artistic advancements you made (as you can see  in my choice of music ;)). Many great men, which i respect, are Americans. But i still regret, that the only reason that only our politicians are prosecuted in Hague (i don’t say they didn’t deserved it, cause they did) and yours aren’t, is because America is the world leader. Vietnam, Cambodia, Panama, South American countries, there were also crimes against humanity there and killings but no American politican was prosecuted. Hell, Henri Kissinger even got Nobel Peace Prize altough he was the biggest supporter of of Vietnam war.


@B
Pa naravno da ne mogu kada je America dobila nezavisnost u 18. veku (1760 i neke ako se ne varam). Na samom pocetku svog nastanka (Bill of rights i Americki ustav) Amerika je udarila kamen temeljac modernom pravu . Da su ubijali Indijance i izvrsili genocid nad njima to stoji. Ali tesko da su uzeli od njih ukrali zlato, severnoamericki indijanci nikada nisu cenili zlato, no to je nebitno. Zapravo dokazano je da je neandertalac bio isto inteligentan kao i homo sapiens ;D. Salu na stranu, jednosmerna struja je bila od koristi i jos uvek je i nikad se ne zna kakvu ce ulogu imati u buducnosti. Sto se tice Aljaske. Pa to mogu samo dobri trgovci po meni :P. Projekat Menhetn je poceo jos 1939 ili 1940 pre nego sto su zarobili nazi naucnike, americki naucnici su imali mnogo vise udela. Da sto se tice NASA-e to su nazi naucnici izveli. Uvoze ljude? Ja mislio da su ti ljudi dobrovoljno dosli. To sto su oni prvi, i za sada jedini uvideli vrednost skolovanih ljudi je samo plus vise. Da smo mi bili tako pametni… Ne, ne treba zahvaliti ljudima iz indije, kine, rusije itd. Kompjuter je delo amerikanaca, sem fon-Nojmana koji je rodjen u Madjarskoj.
Zen je vec rekao jazz i Rock, moderno pravo i bankarstvo je razvijeno u Americi. Pojam o ljudskim pravima je prvo razvijen u Americi, ovaj nacin zivota koji prihvatamo, svideo se nama ili ne, je Americki. Ja ne volim Ameriku ali reci da nisu ucinili i mnogo dobrog za svet jednostavno nije tacno.
Da, da, a pre sveta smo dosli iz Srednje zemlje predvodjeni Gandalfom Belim ::). A kako zaboraviti i cara Nino Belova koji je vladao celim svetom od Atlantide do Indije. Steta sto mu sin Niko Belic nije bio dorastao da nastavi ocevim stopama ::).

Clockwork Dreamer, I respect your viewpoint and find your position basically just and appropriate. USA politicians disturb me, too ... a lot! Main concern now as it appears to me, a Congress that does not work the way that it was intended. Compound that with a history of aggressiveness, hell, I'm scared too. Saying that, I, as an American, can mouth off like this and not fear a Gestapo raid at my house. That is part of the good foundation here. Please know that we are mostly a good people, and that we have no more power over our politicians than you do over yours. Do you know of a country where propaganda, public opinion, power of money, and ideology do not outweigh reason, justice and love of all mankind?

As for your country, let me say two things. If I were Serbian, knowing my temperament, I would probably be rather pissed off. I have read European history, and your powerful friends in all directions, Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Turkey, Greece, not to mention England and Germany and USA, have stuck their nose into your business, raped your culture, carved up the Balkans with ridiculous boundaries, and intentionally put your subcultures into internecine conflict for Hundreds of years.

Now, in the 1990's, what I read in USA popular press about "Balkan conflict" was the brief news clips about horrid atrocities of Ratko, Arkan Tigers, and arrogance of Radovan K. I read about mass graves in Serebrenica, and about the siege of Sarajevo. That's about it. By reading European news sources I got a wider perspective. We were painted a rather narrow picture here in our free press. Our press is free, but not unbiased. Honestly, my conclusion is that atrocities occurred on all sides, it was all-out war. Let it be as history. Take my word, the sooner these issues are laid to rest, the sooner the Balkans will unite as the world power they can and should be. Recall, we in the USA had a horrid Civil War where brother killed brother. A minority still want to continue this shit too, But most of us have gotten over the hate, if not the history.

Odd thing, I came to this site because I liked your music. I like your thinking, too. Wayne

@Wayne
I told u only reason i do not like America is politics. Ofc most Americans are good people. There are no country with all good as well as all bad people. Thing I love about American people is your high tollerance to diversity. No bad people can have that. If we had it maybe Balkan wars wouldnt happen but thats another story...

"Do you know of a country where propaganda, public opinion, power of money, and ideology do not outweigh reason, justice and love of all mankind?"
Sadly no.

The worst thing with my countrymen is making heroes of murderrers like Mladic, Arkan etc. They are ignorant as most of your fellowmen, not bad people just missinformed. They trully believe that the whole world has a grudge against us, so they cellebrate them as heroes. And I agree with you atrocites occured on all sides unfortunatelly.

"Recall, we in the USA had a horrid Civil War where brother killed brother. A minority still want to continue this shit too, But most of us have gotten over the hate, if not the history."
Well, this forum is somekinda way to get over the hate ;). You can find people from all over ex-Yugoslavia, mostly Serbs, but nationality plays minor role here ;).

We are in agreement. Come to think of it, the 20th Century has been the bloodiest century in all mankind. With all our advancements as a species it is now that many are still at each other's throats over tribal matters. You are right, misinformation and ignorance is the root of the problem. A basic problem also is that it is the Politicians' advantage to keep the people ignorant.

Hatred and mistrust Simmer under the surface of daily life today just as it always has. It is up to each of us to get this beast out of the center of the picture. I'll make enemies as well as friends with this statement, but did you ever notice that the extremes of nationalism and religion have always Gruesome consequences? That holds for all countries, all tribes, and all religions, including my own.

Now for ignorance of my fellow Americans, it is true, many of us can shoot off statistics about football and basketball, and many know the betting odds on every game. Take these same people and ask them to point out Austria as opposed to Australia and you may get a dumb look. Now, with them, you are correct, distinguishing between Serbia and Croatia would be out of the question. They'd be lucky to hit the correct continent. Then there are others of us who read and travel as well as watch football. 

What I have learned of this world in 62 years.  There are hateful people in every country.  They don't need a reason to hate; just being different is enough.  Then add greed and jealousy. There's the witches' brew.  But the good news is that most of us are wired to see a better future, a future where reason and cooperation win out.  I know, it is a dream, but I'd rather hope for this than dwell on the alternative.  Maybe sometime, for our children's children.

I spoke of your country.  Now I speak of mine.  My personal opinion is that USA needs to rethink its place in the world, drastically tone down its willingness to intrude in other peoples' business, work out fair trade agreements with cooperative countries, and take the money spent on war and put it into improving the crumbling infrastructure of our own country.  As for "spreading democracy to the rest of the world" that is pure bullshit.  Why are we not spreading democracy to remote countries with no strategic importance or coveted resources? Some of my acquaintances of conservative orientation would call me a traitor, but that's OK, it's my true opinion and I am not alone and unrepentant. I'm just saying my country is not perfect, and these are some things that I think would be most appropriate for improvement. Now, I repeat, one of the things that makes me proud to be an American is my ability to speak my mind and not be shot at sunrise. Mr. Stalin and Mr. Hitler and some others that we all know would not have tolerated this banter.

It is actually very good for me to get your viewpoints.  How else would I be able to understand your thoughts and ideas if you do not tell me? 

I consider myself generally informed, not overly bright, but hard to insult, but don't go too far, for, you know us Americans, I have lots of big guns (one even from Kragujevac) and that "Scarface" mentality.  ;D

Incidentally, speaking of firearms, I build flintlock (stone lock) rifles as used during our Revolutionary War.  By today's standards, these are primitive guns, but extremely functional.  These are used for hunting white-tail deer mostly.  You can go to www site for Contemporary Longrifle Association and see some of my work under "artisans" listing: Wayne Heckert.  Deer hunting is big business in Pennsylvania and we have a separate season for flintlocks.  Also lots of bear and turkey.  No, they are not used to rob supermarkets or conduct gang-banger drive-by shootings.  Those boys wouldn't even know how to load one of these.

 Pennsylvania has two big cities, Philadelphia in the east and Pittsburgh in the west.  In between and to the north, about three hundred kilometers of pastures, forests, farm land and small towns.  Lots of wilderness for hunting.  Schools even close down on first day of hunting season around here.  Forget the students, they can't even get enough teachers to show up on opening day.  Part of our frontier culture, I guess.

I saw your works, on the site Contemporary Longrifle.. and I don't like arms and killing stuff, but I must admit that they are nicely made like art pieces. I saw guns like yours in Montenegro, and in museum's...

I only kill what I eat.  Actually somewhat a pacifist dreamer rather than a hater.  Have not killed a deer in 20 years, but, turkey...that stuff tastes good. There must be 700 of us in USA who build flintlocks, and 100,000 who use them annually. We are traditional hunters, not gangsters.  Gang bangers can buy AK 47's from Bulgaria and China for the price of an ounce of decent smoking dope...so I've been told.   Our rifles would be of no interest to them.  Incidentally, regarding modern guns, do you think I would live in USA without a few?  Truth is, everybody on the streets knows the game.  If the look in the eye shows fear, you are a dead man.  If your eyes say "I'm prepared" the thugs let you alone.  It is that simple.  That's the world we live in.

God for you. I don't judge you, just tell that is artistic, thats the point. You are some kind of musketeer in regard of gangsters. You live in America, and you are OK. Things that you say are truth. I agree. But, I live in Serbia, and there people take arms only if they go to war, and we are very god in that - we win almost every war..  you know our history. Last 2 decade, America slowly, and certainly come to us.. drugs, and gangsters, we also have that, but it's still minor thing. We don't wear the rifles and gangs on the street. It's no need for that. It's very peacefully there.

I am vegetarian for more then 20 years, and always was very hard to force me to eat meat. I live in Serbia, this is still "green country" and there 30%(more of less) people eat what they or some in the family, or in the village - made: milk, vegetables, fruits, honey, eggs, and thing like that, and none of them must kill for eat.. somebody do that, of course.
I am pacifist, I think that every war and aggression come from inside us - start in our mind, our physiology, our acts, so I do not make nothing what is some kind of aggression. Nobody beat me, and I don't beat nobody in my life.. But I am still in war. War against all kind of aggression. Aggression which start in our minds. Thats my point of view.

Na srpskom:
Dobro za tebe. Ne osuđujem te, samo kažem da je to umetnički (urađeno), to je poenta. Ti si neka vrsta musketara u odnosu na gangstere. Živiš u Americi i ti si ok. Stvari koje govoriš su istina. Slažem se. Ali ja živim u Srbiji, a ljudi ovde uzimaju oružje samo ako idu u rat, i mi smo dosta dobri u tome - dobili smo gotovo svaki rat... ti znaš našu istoriju.
Poslednje dve dekade "Amerika" lagano i sigurno dolazi ovde.. droge i gangsteri, mi to takođe imamo, ali to je još uvek minorna stvar. Mi ne nosimo puške i oružje na ulici. Nema potrebe za time. Ovde je veoma mirno.

Vegetarijanac sam već više od 20 godina, a i inače, uvek je bilo teško naterati me da jedem meso. Živim u Srbiji, ovo je još uvek "zelena zemlja", ovde 30% stanovništva (manje-više) jede ono što oni sami, ili neko iz familije, ili na selu - proizvede: mleko, povrće, voće, med, jaja, i slične stvari, i niko od njih ne MORA da ubija da bi jeo.. neko to naravno čine, ali ne moraju.

Ja sam pacifist, i mislim da svaki rat i agresija počinju unutar nas - počinju u našoj misli, našoj fiziologiji, našim delima, i ja ne činim ništa što bi moglo biti neka vrsta agresije. Niko me nije tukao, i nikog nikad nisam tukao.. Ali sam još uvek u ratu. Ratu protiv svake vrste agresije. Agresije koja počinje u našim mislima. To je moj ugao gledanja.

You explain it well and I do not disagree. There is a man-made problem here in my part of the USA. Because of "game animal management" of the deer population, the herd has become larger than nature would produce, and now, with human development, they are frequenting Suburbs and towns. The managers in their infinite wisdom have created an artificial situation that depends on sport hunters "harvesting" thousands of deer per year.

As for Bear that come into towns, the Rangers shoot them with darts and then remove them to the mountains. The moment they wake up and the drug Wears off, they head right back to the place they were found, sometimes Hundreds of miles away. They are the kings of our forest. Man can not outfight them, outrun them, outclimb them or outsmart them in their habitat. You think you are hunting them and often they are stakling you. Sometimes they win. 

Truth is, some men go to hunting camp to hunt. Others go to get away from their wives, play cards and drink beer. You know, male bonding ritual. 

Da, naravno da razumem. Kod nas se to slično dešavalo samo po planinskim selima i to u zimskom periodu. A zaista je to interesantno da životinje dolaze u gradove. To mi liči na: The nature strikes back! :) Dakle, s obzirom da znam da u prirodi postoji zakon akcije i reakcije, i prirodna težnja za ravnotežom i uravnotežavanjem, razmišljam o tome: Šta je nateralo životinje u gradove? Kakva je to neravnoteža u pitanju? Da li je to zato što su gradovi "ne-prirodni"? Da možda životinje ne čine neku vrstu usluge, tako što gradove čine "prirodnijim" na neki način - svojim dolaskom? A možda je samo glad u pitanju.. Ali opet, kako to da ne mogu u prirodi da nađu hranu?

Naravno, vi čuvate sebe i svoje porodice od prirode tj. životinja koje vas mogu ugroziti i to je jasno i opravdano.
U Srbiji naravno postoje lovci, i lovačka društva, ja znam neke od njih i shvatam njihovu strast za lovom. Mnogi od njih nikad ništa nisu ulovili, ali opet idu stalno u lov sa ostalima, pešače i obilaze brda i šume, u potrazi za vukovima, zečevima, lisicama, fazanima itd. Postoje čak i lovna područja, pa čak i lovni turizam, gde stranci dolaze da love određenu vrstu divljači. Ali čak je i tu bilo nekih zloupotreba.. ali nije toliko bitno.
Raspričali smo se o svemu i svačemu, što je malo offtopic na ovu temu - Šta misli svet o Srbiji.. ::)

What does the world think of Serbia? From what I am reading here, maybe similar to what it thinks of the USA. Some important things in common, or at least outside perception of them similar. A proud people, passionate, resilient and creative, with historically strong warriors, ready and willing to kick butt if necessary. Main difference, what constitutes "necessary."  Let's face it, our critics see aggressive tendencies in both our nations.

You are correct in saying that USA press slants news here to bolster impression that Serbia is expansionist and domineering, while recent events do nothing to reinforce this stereotype.  Specifically the creation of a new country took land and resources from Serbia. No one here mentions that. Again, this thread asked for us to say what we think, and these are just my views.